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Im so glad you took it in the 🤯 direction! That’s where I LIVE and I never get enough chances to talk about it.

A couple writers I’ve encountered (serious meditators like Ken Wilber, Culadasa and Daniel Ingram) are adamant that it is possible to have a persistent personal experience of Satori in this lifetime for literally everyone. These instructors claim that we can all train up our minds enough to—ironically—REST in a felt sense of that awakening you point out is always present.

What do you think about this?

I’m starting to believe that it actually IS in the cards for me, though I’ve had no trustworthy experience of it whatsoever. And I know not everyone gets there and some people seem totally certain they won’t for many many more incarnations…

I sometimes wonder whether those 3 above teach techniques that are perfect for incarnations at a very specific stage of awakening. Perhaps it’s a matter of karma. Do we have different levels of confidence that result in different attitudes to maintaining or quitting practice—or selecting a practice style that has unreliable results—because of nature and nurture, cause and effect, trauma and baggage?

Maybe I took it in too woo a direction.

Without the need for the metaphysical ideas about reincarnation, we can still ask the same question: some meditation instructors insist everyone who meditates effectively will wake up—does that simply mean that the only people who are attracted to meditate using those “effective” techniques are the people disposed to experience awakening for whatever other causal-chain reasons? Is it just survivorship bias? The ones who stick around are the ones it works for?

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